[10:57]  Timo Daehlie: have a seat Ardy :P
[10:57]  Ardy Lay: Oops
[10:57]  Ardy Lay: I didn't wait long enough.
[10:57]  Ardy Lay: Sorry.
[10:57]  Timo Daehlie: lol no owrry ;)
[10:57]  Timo Daehlie: wo
[10:57]  Driftwood Miles: Hi everyone
[10:58]  Stephan Mrigesh: hihi:)
[10:58]  Talarus Luan: Greetings
[10:58]  Verve Omizu: Hi Driftwood, and all.
[10:58]  Driftwood Miles: :) are we go today
[10:59]  Talarus Luan: Greets, Drongle
[10:59]  Marianne McCann: Hiya
[10:59]  Drongle McMahon: Hello Talarus
[10:59]  MystiTool HUD 1.3.1: Entering chat range: claudio Bowdit (19m)
[10:59]  Uni Ninetails: busybusy ^^
[10:59]  Verve Omizu chuckles at Marianne's tag.
[10:59]  Marianne McCann grins
[11:00]  MystiTool HUD 1.3.1: Entering chat range: Fem Darcy (17m)
[11:01]  Uni Ninetails: i watched the news for one hour today for the first time in a month. wish i hadnt. very depressing.
[11:01]  claudio Bowdit: good afternoon to you all
[11:01]  MystiTool HUD 1.3.1: Entering chat range: Opensource Obscure (19m)
[11:01]  Marianne McCann: Hiya
[11:01]  Verve Omizu nods. That happens to me too, because I'm not smart enough to stop watching.
[11:01]  Uni Ninetails: hihi
[11:01]  Marianne McCann: Ya, that's the news f'r ya /me pouts
[11:01]  MystiTool HUD 1.3.1: Entering chat range: Susie Chaffe (19m)
[11:01]  Stephan Mrigesh: Good Afternoon claudio:)
[11:01]  Uni Ninetails: hey Jack
[11:01]  Jack Linden: hey everyone
[11:01]  Talarus Luan: It's JAAAAAACK!
[11:01]  Uni Ninetails: fleee!
[11:01]  Verve Omizu: Hi, Jack.
[11:01]  Stephan Mrigesh: Hi Jack:)
[11:01]  Uni Ninetails: or get chocolate milk
[11:01]  claudio Bowdit: hello jack
[11:01]  Uni Ninetails: ill take the later brb
[11:01]  MystiTool HUD 1.3.1: Detached.
[11:01]  Marianne McCann: Hey Jack!
[11:02]  claudio Bowdit: stephan hello
[11:02]  Kyrion Yalin: hallo
[11:02]  Jack Linden: let me see if i can avoid sitting on someone
[11:03]  Talarus Luan: You can sit on me if you can stand the pain of being impaled. :P
[11:03]  Jack Linden: aha there we go. looks like i'm lying down.
[11:03]  Jack Linden: Tal, you don't look altogether comfortable
[11:03]  Talarus Luan: Oh, I am very comfortable; just depends on where/how you sit. ;)
[11:03]  Jack Linden: okays, who wants to kick us off this week? who has something they'd like to ask or discuss?
[11:04]  Jack Linden: hehe
[11:04]  claudio Bowdit: bots
[11:04]  Marianne McCann: Ya, bots...
[11:04]  Verve Omizu: I have a quick suggestion, a generic request, very simple, uncontroversial, and nothing to do with bots.
[11:05]  Jack Linden: Ah right, yes. So you guys are presumably seeing the uptick in enforcement that is happening?
[11:05]  Marianne McCann: I saw the one in Bay City got nuked
[11:05]  Stephan Mrigesh: Jack, ty for whatever you have done to convince Primlands to give up on extorting people, but my question is: How long before the G Team can clean all of them off the grid (The Micro's Left bhind)?
[11:05]  Uni Ninetails: uptake? i ard a 40 bot, traffic monkey and nothing happened.
[11:05]  Jack Linden: Stephan, good question.. it's quite a task hehe
[11:06]  Jack Linden: Soon i hope, we're looking at whether we can automate the cleanup
[11:06]  Stephan Mrigesh: Thanks Jack
[11:06]  Marianne McCann: Unfortunately, that land owner has turned his stuff into a "Police department" and goes out and harasses noobs in Docklands
[11:06]  Marianne McCann giggles
[11:06]  claudio Bowdit: thats better
[11:06]  claudio's translator: thats better
[11:06]  Wilma Philbin: What we've seen soo far are the places with traffic over 50 000 going away
[11:06]  Jack Linden: Uni, we're pushing much harder now on the 'search gaming' issue from this week, now that the ZIndra migrations are more or less over with
[11:07]  Uni Ninetails: cool
[11:07]  Jack Linden: Marianne, do AR them if they are being abusive
[11:07]  Verve Omizu applauds.
[11:07]  Wilma Philbin: but there are still lots of bots out there
[11:07]  Uni Ninetails: lemme check the map i ard sun/mon i think
[11:07]  Thunderclap Morgridge: good. Is the blog post that is now almost 2 months old closed
[11:07]  Uni Ninetails: iooooooo wow
[11:08]  Thriller Dancer: Say 'on' or 'off'to turn me on or off, or 'help' for more commands
[11:08]  Uni Ninetails: cleaned up
[11:08]  Jack Linden: Yes, so this week we have started to screen search results and that will continue. the pace of that work will increase a lot over the next few weeks
[11:08]  Thunderclap Morgridge: on
[11:08]  Jack Linden: Zindra slowed us down a lot sadly
[11:08]  Uni Ninetails: yay jack!
[11:08]  Driftwood Miles: off
[11:08]  Marianne McCann: When might we start to see some relief around the Bay City infohub? It's been worse than ever, and the overspill is causing lots of issues in Docklands
[11:09]  Marianne McCann: Currently 51 people in that hub, with 30+ overspilling into DOcklands
[11:09]  Jack Linden: Marianne, i should know more on that next week. We may create a couple of spinoff hubs to begin with, off to the north and west of Hau Koda to try to calm it down
[11:09]  Marianne McCann: good
[11:09]  Ardy Lay: Jack, If I own land, almost the entire region, completely surrounding two smaller than 128 sq meter, adjacent parcels belonging to a person that has not logged in since 2005 is that land aquirable by me? KB keeps using the word "abandoned", does that apply in this case if the owner has in fact not logged in in 4 years but that land is not marked as abandoned in parcel information?
[11:09]  Jack Linden: But that's just a short term measure until we can get a technical fix in
[11:09]  Marianne McCann: Any long term plan on it?
[11:10]  Jack Linden: Ardy, we'd have to look. It *may* be that we can move their parcel to the edge but we'd have to really look into why they haven't logged in
[11:11]  Arawn Spitteler: We can assume they'vfe forgotten their password, but probably may not
[11:11]  Jack Linden: Marianne, just that we want to allocate new/bounced residents by load across the many hibs, not by location
[11:11]  Jack Linden: *hubs
[11:11]  Marianne McCann: Good
[11:11]  Core743 Boucher: wow
[11:11]  Jack Linden: We do have long term residents who use their Alts primarily, while still owning land with an old Main account that they pay for
[11:12]  Jack Linden: We also have some lifetime account holders who still hold land indefinitely due to the free tier that offer included
[11:12]  Talarus Luan: Have you tried contacting the owner of those plots?
[11:12]  Ardy Lay: Jack, I have been told it's "forgotten 'First Land' from long ago". I am not sure what that means.
[11:12]  Jack Linden goes misty eyed at the mention of 'first land'
[11:12]  Ardy Lay: The free tier thing then maybe.
[11:13]  Jack Linden: First Land was a cheap land deal we provided to new premium accounts some years ago
[11:13]  Yann Dufaux: hi all
[11:13]  Marianne McCann: Those were the days
[11:13]  Jack Linden: We had to phase it out because it wasn't working well at all
[11:13]  Marianne McCann is a resident of Shermerville
[11:13]  Wilma Philbin: Hi Yann
[11:13]  Timo Daehlie: land is as cheap now as first land those days ..
[11:13]  Jack Linden: Ah i love shermerville. hehe
[11:13]  Thunderclap Morgridge: you mean it wa getting seriously gamned
[11:14]  Thunderclap Morgridge: gamed
[11:14]  Jack Linden: Timo, you're right, or pretty close yes
[11:14]  Ardy Lay: Was that in 2005?
[11:14]  Timo Daehlie: i lost my first land to a bot :(
[11:14]  Yann Dufaux: oh i need to clear my cache sorry
[11:14]  Jack Linden: It was gamed heavily, the new residents were being targetted a lot in their first few hours, the parcelling was too gridlike, and so on.
[11:15]  Thunderclap Morgridge: I sold my first land to a bot. A land ninja because no one would buy it
[11:15]  Ardy Lay: This may be a little older. It was explained to me by another resident that the land was essentially free to beta testers.
[11:15]  Timo Daehlie: hehehe you had to wait two weeks for a 512m2 for L$ 512 .. the moment you had one you were offered 8000 L$
[11:15]  Talarus Luan: Then it is likely charter account land
[11:15]  Timo Daehlie: 40 barons flying above a region ..
[11:15]  Timo Daehlie: good old days ..
[11:16]  Jack Linden: As a way to get people into land ownership it was great, but we learnt that many people want zoning and tighter controls over their experience than First land could offer.
[11:16]  Marianne McCann: It seems like a lot of the old shermerville, etc. first land is all-but-abandoned, too. It's pretty quiet up there
[11:16]  Enemy Coba: hello ppl
[11:16]  Verve Omizu: Here's my "simple" suggestion. Currently the land you're on is identified by sim, coordinates, and parcel name. I personally would find it useful to know what continent each location was on.
[11:16]  Thunderclap Morgridge: they still do
[11:16]  Enemy Coba: good afternoon
[11:16]  Jack Linden: It's tough to put 100 people on a region next to each other when none of them knows how to build
[11:16]  Talarus Luan: What I have done for land that appears abandoned is put in a ticket to have it checked. I have been able to get some land reclaimed in my region that way.
[11:16]  Timo Daehlie: lol
[11:17]  Marianne McCann: Might be a spare time project for me
[11:17]  Jack Linden: Verve, continent names would be great. We've been slowly improving the Map over time and we'd definitely like to add more levels of geography.. such as districts, continents, etc
[11:17]  Qie Niangao can't imagine learning to build any other way
[11:17]  Marianne McCann: I'd love to see the continent names, regions, etc on the map
[11:18]  Thunderclap Morgridge: I would too
[11:18]  Wilma Philbin: Are the continent names used now inofficial?
[11:18]  Shockwave Plasma: thinks you need GIS Linden
[11:18]  Arawn Spitteler: We could stick that information into About Land
[11:18]  Enemy Coba: that would be great
[11:18]  Jean Swashbuckler: agreed on continent names
[11:18]  Jack Linden: The continents do have names, often that are from the internal project name to deliver them
[11:18]  Verve Omizu: The existence of Zindra adds slightly to the usefulness of the continents request.
[11:18]  Stephan Mrigesh: Jack, I have recently googled my Avatars name and shreaked when I saw what these paws had written, and feel I must apologize for any unkind words expressed out of anger towards you, or anyone that had to read the nonsense. I do humbly apologize, and will do my best to appease the Linden God's from now on;)
[11:19]  Marianne McCann: Syephan - in penance, you must cleanse your soul in the mahulu volcano
[11:19]  Marianne McCann giggles
[11:19]  Talarus Luan resists...urge...NO! :P
[11:19]  Arawn Spitteler: Good PR is when they spell your name right
[11:19]  Enemy Coba: lol
[11:19]  Jack Linden: Aww hehe, it's fine Stephan, I would always assume it came from your passion for what we're doing not anything personal
[11:19]  Thunderclap Morgridge: true true
[11:19]  Jack Linden: So no worries
[11:20]  Thunderclap Morgridge: jack where are you on the content creators agenda items
[11:20]  Jack Linden: What do you mean Thunderclap?
[11:20]  Major McCaw: Jack, If we find someone who is obviously gaming the traffic system with bots, would an AR be appropriate? If so, what catagory would you suggest for the complaint?
[11:20]  Thunderclap Morgridge: I though you need about the blog post relaing to the contenet creation roadmap
[11:21]  Arawn Spitteler: Bot Gaming would be abuse of alts, I think
[11:21]  Uni Ninetails: I ard under other and somthing was done
[11:21]  Thunderclap Morgridge: would that relate to the camping and search once the infringing items are removed
[11:21]  Jack Linden: I think for now you could just use the Other category and put 'Bot Abuse' in the title
[11:21]  Wilma Philbin: But there is no such category for AR
[11:22]  Major McCaw: Thank you :o)
[11:22]  Thunderclap Morgridge: but I think we should abuse boits
[11:22]  Talarus Luan: I have a question about estate region conflicts. I'll try to be as generic as possible. Say you have a group who got together to create a private continent, and moved together so that they could have buffer space around them to expand. Things were going fine, and then up popped a region within a stone's throw away from one side of the continent.
[11:22]  Uni Ninetails: as i said i did othr and provided a shot of the botfarm as i managed to get to it
[11:22]  Thunderclap Morgridge: abuse them with shotguns and orbiting
[11:23]  Talarus Luan: Later, one of the continent owners wants to clean up their borders, moving a region which would end up adjacent to both the continent and the rogue region.
[11:23]  Jack Linden: Tal, if an estate owner is unable to expand due to neighbouring regions we will generally move their estate for free
[11:23]  Arawn Spitteler: The rogue region is there, and continental expansion would regard that.
[11:24]  Talarus Luan: ..and has offered to pay the fee to have to rogue region moved (even though they shouldn't have to, since it was a LL mistake that allowed the rogue region to get too close to begin with)
[11:24]  Jack Linden: In your example, we would have to look at it but we would certainly try to work it out with you
[11:24]  Talarus Luan: Well, you would be willing to move the entire Fantasy continent again for free?
[11:24]  Arawn Spitteler: Does moving an estate do strange thingss to its listing in picks?
[11:24]  Talarus Luan: Just because of one rogue region?
[11:24]  Jack Linden: For large estates we can put protected space around it too, and have sometimes done that so that the LandStore won't allow anyone near
[11:25]  Talarus Luan: Well, you did that, but this person got around it somehow.
[11:25]  Jack Linden: Tal, yes potentially if they are really boxed in
[11:25]  Talarus Luan: We've been trying to get this resolved for about 6 months now
[11:25]  Jack Linden: Or we might talk to the rogue region owner to see if we could move them
[11:25]  Talarus Luan: We've kinda been there already. He wants "more money" to be moved.
[11:25]  Talarus Luan: IE, wants to be paid to move
[11:26]  Talarus Luan: Not just the cost, but some kind of dowry.
[11:26]  Thunderclap Morgridge: you make it sound like its a region filled with taliban
[11:26]  Jack Linden: Arawn, landmarks etc should move with the region, but settings for Home Location don't i believe
[11:26]  Marianne McCann: Hey Daniel!
[11:26]  Daniel Voyager: Hiya
[11:26]  Thunderclap Morgridge: Thats odd awarn
[11:26]  Daniel Voyager: greetings
[11:26]  Jack Linden: How many regions are involved in the fantasy continent?
[11:26]  Talarus Luan: So what would be the next step, since we've already been through most of these steps already
[11:26]  Thunderclap Morgridge: isnt the home location a permanent lm
[11:26]  Nicholas Hawthorne: hello
[11:27]  Arawn Spitteler: My picks hadn't been working, for Sea Turtle Island, despite being listed name and coords. I had to reset.
[11:27]  Enemy Coba: hello nicholas
[11:27]  Jack Linden: Hmm, we could move them then Tal, if all the estate owners agreed and this other region was really in the way
[11:27]  Yann Dufaux: yik hi nicolas and Daniel lol !
[11:28]  Yann Dufaux: don't crush me please ?
[11:28]  Daniel Voyager: we won't lol
[11:28]  Nicholas Hawthorne: hello
[11:28]  Daniel Voyager: for now
[11:28]  Arawn Spitteler: Tal, see how low the offending sim will go, say you'll consider it, then leave
[11:28]  Enemy Coba: hello miss despres
[11:28]  Thunderclap Morgridge: I dont taste good with ketchup
[11:28]  Nicholas Hawthorne: xD
[11:28]  Daniel Voyager: LOL
[11:28]  Talarus Luan: The continent is centered around "The Glimmering" region
[11:28]  Alexxa Despres: Hi there ;)
[11:28]  Talarus Luan: geographically
[11:29]  Jack Linden: wow, some huge dragons!
[11:29]  Yann Dufaux: hi Alexxa ?
[11:29]  Nicholas Hawthorne: :D
[11:29]  Daniel Voyager: :D
[11:29]  Alexxa Despres: Hi Yann ;)
[11:29]  Talarus Luan: Well, seems like a lot of hassle to go through just to fix one region
[11:29]  Arawn Spitteler: Alterntively, you could leave a buffer, as you expend around him
[11:29]  Nicholas Hawthorne: flying is even bigger lol
[11:29]  Enemy Coba: lol
[11:29]  Jack Linden: :)
[11:29]  Talarus Luan: We'd rather not. :)
[11:29]  Yann Dufaux: loll nice dragon, but are allowed on your office? LOL ?
[11:29]  Enemy Coba: nicholas its to hot already to spread flames on ppl
[11:30]  Daniel Voyager: stay still nicholas lol
[11:30]  Enemy Coba: lol
[11:30]  Nicholas Hawthorne: :D
[11:30]  Talarus Luan: I am a Dragon, and I have been here for more than a year, so why not more? :D
[11:30]  Jack Linden: hehe dragons are welcome!
[11:30]  Yann Dufaux: hehe ?
[11:30]  Daniel Voyager: HahaAHAHaa!
[11:30]  Nicholas Hawthorne: moon watch out
[11:30]  Yann Dufaux: well, i rassure you i'm not a campbot :P
[11:30]  Thunderclap Morgridge: just remember I dont taste good with ketchup
[11:30]  Kyrion Yalin: as i am a dragon , too and i m here too :)
[11:30]  Moon Corrigible: OOops sorry - walked before I rezzed
[11:31]  Talarus Luan: Anyway, what's our next step, who should we contact?
[11:31]  Nicholas Hawthorne: :)
[11:31]  Jack Linden: Tal, I'l ask someone to reach out to you
[11:31]  Wilma Philbin: ouch!!
[11:31]  Nicholas Hawthorne breathes on jack
[11:31]  Talarus Luan: OK, loop in Onix Harbinger, too, pelase
[11:31]  Enemy Coba: its getting hot in here
[11:31]  Talarus Luan: *please
[11:32]  Marianne McCann: Jack, what can be done about "serial encroachment?" There's a person in the City who routienly gets their bridge over the waterway removed by the GTeam - an she sets it right back up, every time
[11:32]  Talarus Luan: Feed her to the Dragons! :D
[11:32]  Nicholas Hawthorne: hmmm, wonder what would happen if i breathed fire for a while on jack xD
[11:32]  Arawn Spitteler: Soundslike the G-Team would file an AR
[11:32]  Marianne McCann: I would not mind, Tal!
[11:32]  Talarus Luan: I've tried, he's like high-temperature teflon
[11:33]  Enemy Coba: hello miss halfpint remenber me??
[11:33]  Nicholas Hawthorne: lol
[11:33]  Marianne McCann: I've filed countless Ars, which is how it gets removed
[11:33]  Daniel Voyager: go ahead nicholas lol
[11:33]  Marianne McCann grins
[11:33]  Nicholas Hawthorne: :D
[11:33]  Willow Halfpint: wow errrr.. sould i
[11:33]  Willow Halfpint: and if i should yes yes i do
[11:33]  Jack Linden: Marianne, if they keep doing it then we will probably consider it a disciplinary issue
[11:33]  Jack Linden: So just keep ARing it please
[11:33]  Marianne McCann: Can do
[11:34]  Willow Halfpint: hi too all i know, and jack dont return my calls, so big toung out to him
[11:34]  Willow Halfpint: :-p
[11:34]  Nicholas Hawthorne: lol
[11:34]  Thunderclap Morgridge: jack yo need o twitter more
[11:34]  Enemy Coba: eheheheh
[11:34]  Jack Linden: Aww willow! I'm sure it's just that my Ims get capped a lot
[11:35]  Yann Dufaux: Jakc@ do you recive my friendly picture? ?
[11:35]  Willow Halfpint: stop using my exuse, last time im making you lemon tea:-p
[11:35]  Jack Linden: Ha twitter yes, it amazes me that people read those
[11:35]  Arawn Spitteler: Twitter is for those who haen't ral Second Lives
[11:36]  Enemy Coba: lol
[11:36]  Opensource Obscure: heh.
[11:36]  Thunderclap Morgridge: I have a ral SL
[11:36]  Jack Linden: btw, can i ask you guys a quick question.. or maybe two questions..
[11:36]  Thunderclap Morgridge: yes
[11:36]  Enemy Coba: shure
[11:36]  Talarus Luan: That's one
[11:36]  Arawn Spitteler: Sure, but I count that one
[11:36]  Jack Linden: how many of you have tried a 3rd party viewer, and how many of you are running one now?
[11:36]  Willow Halfpint: wow i see alot of cool faces here today, Yann, some NCI people,, Talarus, opensorurce
[11:36]  Jack Linden: a non-Linden one
[11:36]  Fem Darcy raises her hand
[11:36]  Willow Halfpint: owwww and jack,,,
[11:36]  Thunderclap Morgridge: me
[11:36]  Willow Halfpint: maybe
[11:36]  Ciaran Laval: I've used cool viewer
[11:36]  Talarus Luan: I haven't yet.
[11:36]  Daniel Voyager: me
[11:36]  Qie Niangao: tried. not using one now.
[11:36]  Enemy Coba: hi havent yet
[11:36]  Uni Ninetails: jack <3 emerald
[11:37]  Arawn Spitteler: I've tried another, but am on Snowglobe
[11:37]  Thunderclap Morgridge: I was at Nyx office hours using greenlife
[11:37]  Jack Linden: what's your experience been with them? good? bad?
[11:37]  Yann Dufaux: Willow, thanks to this ?
[11:37]  Talarus Luan: I'm planning on compiling one at some point, though. ;)
[11:37]  Major McCaw: I ahve but not using one now
[11:37]  Shockwave Plasma: is using Imprudence on Ubuntu
[11:37]  Uni Ninetails: Emerald excellent.
[11:37]  Thunderclap Morgridge: good
[11:37]  Michi Lumin: Unless I can comb through the code myself, im too concerned about someday a build being a password sniffer. I know it's never really happened, but, I don't want to chance it and haven't had time time to do that...
[11:37]  Stephan Mrigesh: I did once try the viewer for the iPhone, but it was just a text system, and I had no idea where I was.
[11:37]  Fem Darcy: I like it more than the official
[11:37]  Ciaran Laval: wah Usain Bolt world record
[11:37]  Shockwave Plasma: loves it, as it never crashes
[11:37]  Uni Ninetails: and i was a die hard main viewer user
[11:37]  Marianne McCann: I'm on the main viewer now, but I've used Kirsten's
[11:37]  Jack Linden: oh hey michi! didn't post you there!
[11:37]  Wilma Philbin: I'm afraid of using them too
[11:37]  Thunderclap Morgridge: some things work well. QA needs to push stuff through faster really
[11:37]  Marianne McCann: Ya, I use Sparkle too Stephen
[11:38]  Yann Dufaux: oh Jack@ about emerald or merkat viewer waht the position of LL for the encrypted IM function?
[11:38]  Marianne McCann: I'd use any that could actually get me shadows on the Mac
[11:38]  Jean Swashbuckler: I use Sparkle on the iPhone...otherwise nada
[11:38]  Driftwood Miles: 19.19 wow
[11:38]  Michi Lumin: heh yeah i'm here. :P And yeah Jean, same, Sparkle here on the iphone, but -with an alt-.
[11:38]  Jack Linden: Yann, I'm not sure on that front, but we're certainly aware of it
[11:39]  Stephan Mrigesh: oh yeah, I would never use a paid account on an outside viewer;)
[11:39]  Thunderclap Morgridge: Jack why isnt there an official iphone sl client?
[11:39]  Willow Halfpint: im light as air no moaning
[11:39]  Jean Swashbuckler: nods at ThunderC
[11:39]  Shockwave Plasma: I use to use Sleek while at work, then one day it set my inventory to read only...grrr
[11:39]  Qie Niangao: (Jack, you know we're wondering why you're asking that question)
[11:39]  Daniel Voyager: ajaxlife.net/
[11:39]  Marianne McCann: (I was too, Qie)
[11:39]  Stephan Mrigesh: lol Tal;-P
[11:39]  Jack Linden: Thunderclap, it would probably be a pretty significant piece of work to do that. And with an OS Viewer we may see someone out there do one
[11:40]  Qie Niangao: (just how bad is SL 2.0 /Viewer 2009 gonna be ??)
[11:40]  Uni Ninetails: wantsis viewer 2.0
[11:40]  Talarus Luan: (are we out-of-character now or something?) :P
[11:40]  Professor Spark: Qie...LOL
[11:40]  Ardy Lay: I think Snowglobe test builds are about as far away from the "official release" as I am going to wander.
[11:40]  Marianne McCann: I liked what little I could see at SLCC, Qie. But was disappointed that T made it sound like I will not get all the graphical goodness
[11:40]  Qie Niangao: (we are pretending parentheses make things less offensive)
[11:40]  Thunderclap Morgridge: well that goes back to my point about the qa honestly I like snow globe but Greenlife is better
[11:40]  Jack Linden: Qie.. oh sorry.. hehe, just curious. We're seeing use of 3rd party viewers grow a little and I'm surious as to whether they are maturing more these days
[11:40]  Stephan Mrigesh: I have the new resident evil 4 on my iPhone, and the graphics, and controls are simply amazing.
[11:41]  Alexxa Despres: LOL Qie
[11:41]  Talarus Luan: It looks like another viewer makeover, a la Windlight
[11:41]  Jack Linden: I've tried a few and some of the feature adds are nice
[11:41]  Thunderclap Morgridge: I think its more of a worry you would be akedn to the woodshed if thing failed?
[11:41]  Jack Linden: Marianne, the new Viewer is pretty gorgeous. I think people will really love it
[11:42]  Talarus Luan: Though I am concerned about it being designed by Uber Planet or whoever
[11:42]  Shockwave Plasma: I have used Emerald on Windows, and it seems nice, I used Kirstens viewer, but it seemed buggy on Linux
[11:42]  Uni Ninetails: need meshes need html on a prim need global lighting
[11:42]  Thunderclap Morgridge: Its ugly
[11:42]  Arawn Spitteler: No accounting for taste, mind. People hate whatever they must love.
[11:42]  Yann Dufaux: thank Jack, because some people ask me about this and i don't have the clear awnser ?
[11:42]  Marianne McCann: It looked amazing Jack. But I'm gonna give a world-class pout if Macs don't get to use shadows at all
[11:42]  Jean Swashbuckler: nods at Mari
[11:43]  Talarus Luan: Is it still going to be an open-source client?
[11:43]  Willow Halfpint: anyone here have like a question / sugestion box?
[11:43]  Thunderclap Morgridge: Shadows are buggy but its a good first step
[11:43]  Jack Linden: I will brace myself for that then Marianne. :) I'm not sure what the plans are around shadows
[11:43]  Uni Ninetails: need to prod qarl about the newer shadow code
[11:43]  Enemy Coba: make more publicity t bring more ppl to sl on tv
[11:43]  Jack Linden: Tal, yes as far as I know
[11:43]  Thunderclap Morgridge: what is wrong with them
[11:43]  Talarus Luan: Coo
[11:44]  Jack Linden: As you saw from Tom's presentation, Mesh and Media on Prim are both being worked on. They will both changes things in very cool ways
[11:44]  Talarus Luan: To say the least
[11:45]  Yann Dufaux: Jack@ i think it is against the TOS for the fact that it could harm the investigations, I prefer never to use this feature ?
[11:45]  Uni Ninetails: IF the make it into the production pipe
[11:45]  Wilma Philbin: HTML on a prim too?
[11:45]  Jack Linden: Yes Wilma
[11:45]  Wilma Philbin: Great :o)
[11:45]  Uni Ninetails: ive said it multiple times... flash on a prim we can make arcade cabinets :D
[11:45]  Enemy Coba: nice
[11:45]  Thunderclap Morgridge: it would b nice if those presentations were available to those who couldnt make it
[11:45]  Marianne McCann: Uni - it's comin!
[11:46]  Jack Linden: ha yes Uni! that would be so very great
[11:46]  Marianne McCann: The media on a prim is really quite amazing stuff,as are the meshes
[11:46]  Michi Lumin: They were... in the uh, MOTD thing....
[11:46]  Talarus Luan: The powerpoint is up on Flickr
[11:46]  Verve Omizu seconds Marianne's comments about the Mac, having sat up and taken notice when T offhandedly said "this will work only on Windows" (I assumed he meant "...at first".)
[11:46]  Thunderclap Morgridge: where
[11:46]  Uni Ninetails: arcade cabs like sony home would be amazing thatd shaft the little extra interactivety it has
[11:46]  Daniel Voyager: SLCC09 videos are already up on YouTube > http://www.youtube.com/results?search_type=videos&search_query=SLCC+2009&search_sort=video_date_uploaded&page=1
[11:46]  Michi Lumin: Verve he probably meant 'for this demo' or something....
[11:46]  Verve Omizu: Hope so, Michi.
[11:47]  Yann Dufaux: Daniel @ if is at Boston in the next year you see me here ?
[11:47]  Jack Linden: did any of you make it to slcc?
[11:47]  Marianne McCann: I did
[11:47]  Verve Omizu grins yes.
[11:47]  Jack Linden: how did you think it went?
[11:47]  Thunderclap Morgridge: can we get a midwest one (and I dont mean chiago)
[11:47]  Shockwave Plasma: has seen Marrianne on Flickr
[11:48]  Jean Swashbuckler: nods at ThunderC
[11:48]  Verve Omizu: It was my first, and it exceeded every single expectation I had for it.
[11:48]  Yann Dufaux: jack@ i think i can assis on the next SLCC if the event are in Boston because is not far from Quebec ?
[11:48]  Daniel Voyager: SLCC09 pictures > http://www.flickr.com/photos/rolandlegrand/ :)
[11:48]  Talarus Luan: Needs to come to the SE US once. :P
[11:48]  Michi Lumin: Jack, do you see SL changing so much in the next year and ah alf that existing social models and content models would be so uhh... drastically changed that folks here now won't be able to uh... participate in the next era, as it were? -- i know thats odd. I just am wondering from a Linden persective....
[11:48]  Shockwave Plasma: has also seen al l the chalk marks outside the Linden office :-)
[11:48]  Jack Linden: wow Verve, that's great!
[11:48]  Michi Lumin: I didn't make it personally, one of our folks did though.... who reported back to me while drunk o_O
[11:49]  Thunderclap Morgridge wants to se sl eat Blue Mar's lunch
[11:49]  Talarus Luan: probably better than if sober. ;)
[11:49]  Enemy Coba: lol
[11:49]  Uni Ninetails: Simple statement from an Nda holder. Blue mars is that ord what means poop
[11:50]  Thunderclap Morgridge: poop?
[11:50]  Jack Linden: Michi, that's a super question. I think that we've already had several phases both in terms of the features and also the growth. I think we're due another step up and over the next 6 months we will see that start to happen. Our residents havealways been very very good at adapting, and they've needed to be hehe
[11:50]  Talarus Luan: Competition is good, though
[11:50]  Uni Ninetails: yeah
[11:50]  Thunderclap Morgridge: its bad
[11:50]  Arawn Spitteler wonders about setting up a wind-powered server farm, next to the great lakes, and setting the SLCC Tents up there.
[11:50]  Uni Ninetails: its jjust to muchlike deving a game mod.
[11:50]  Yann Dufaux: multiple media textures? what is?
[11:50]  Wilma Philbin: What kind of changes are you talking about?
[11:51]  Talarus Luan: That's not necessarily a bad thing. ;)
[11:51]  Shockwave Plasma: guesses the next Change is what Philip was talking about at SLCC
[11:51]  Jack Linden: So I think it'll be fine; the social implications of voice could have been huge but the community has absorbed it very well indeed
[11:51]  Uni Ninetails: messshhhhhhh *drools
[11:51]  Thunderclap Morgridge: its not the governemnt style of change?
[11:51]  Stephan Mrigesh: Jack, is LL considering shipping non-human characters off to their own island too?
[11:51]  Marianne McCann: The linden dollar will be split into fractions. Hence, change
[11:51]  Marianne McCann winks
[11:51]  Uni Ninetails: >.>
[11:51]  Jean Swashbuckler: Jack, voice seems to still have some issues which is why many still use Skype with SL
[11:52]  Thunderclap Morgridge: Why?
[11:52]  Marianne McCann: Jean - ya, it crashes very regularly for me.
[11:52]  Thunderclap Morgridge: they are always naked
[11:52]  Talarus Luan: <.<
[11:52]  Jean Swashbuckler: and reverbs
[11:52]  Talarus Luan: YOu say that like it is a BAD thing :P
[11:52]  Thunderclap Morgridge: sorry had to say it
[11:52]  Jack Linden: I would hop ethat subsequent virtual worlds would have an easier time because a) they have someone to look to that has tackled most of the really tough issues already, and b) the world is now more accepting that a virtual world can work because it's proven
[11:52]  Shockwave Plasma: is naked under her clothes
[11:53]  Thunderclap Morgridge: it isnt a dragon wearing clothes is funny
[11:53]  Arawn Spitteler's quite well dressed, save for the standardsw of third world women, who'd go veiled and topless.
[11:53]  Talarus Luan: yus
[11:53]  Thunderclap Morgridge: thats good
[11:53]  Verve Omizu: I certainly can't complain about the quality of voice, though, at least while it's working -- and it does crash once in a while or more -- but it's like being inside each other's head, it's so clear. So my hat's off to Vivox and SL for that.
[11:53]  Jack Linden: Stephan, no we wouldn't do that.. though I could see us providing types of land that are more suited to a particular community.. but as a voluntary thing
[11:54]  Jack Linden: Jean, true but it's become *much* better with this latest official viewer
[11:54]  Michi Lumin: I don't want to move from where we are... I just hope we can keep on keepin on. <:}
[11:54]  Thunderclap Morgridge: makes me think about that song "get outta my head"
[11:54]  Arawn Spitteler wonders, idly, why sexual discrimination is legal
[11:54]  Jean Swashbuckler: thanks Jack, will test it out...we've been back on Skype for a while so good to know there was progress
[11:55]  Jack Linden: Michi, i hope so too.. you guys are historic :)
[11:55]  Michi Lumin: see, i've never had many problems with voice, except for people on the other end having me turned up too loud or too quiet...
[11:55]  Thunderclap Morgridge: It is awarn
[11:55]  Stephan Mrigesh: Hopefully they will be still be alowed to TP, and Fly around Jack, but then again some might consider that to unprofessional. lol;)
[11:55]  Thunderclap Morgridge: ?
[11:55]  Talarus Luan: The only problem I have with voice is it is divisive and exclusionary.
[11:56]  Jack Linden: hehe
[11:56]  Verve Omizu: True, Michi -- me too -- others' voices get much louder and softer as they TP around. And I agree with Talarus's points though they're not showstoppers to me.
[11:56]  Jack Linden: Tal, I think that does happen sometimes but partly that is because the etiquette for voice vs text is still evolving
[11:57]  Jean Swashbuckler: agree with etiquette still evolving
[11:57]  Talarus Luan: Yeah, I am not blaming voice for that; it is definitely a human thing.
[11:57]  Talarus Luan: Just a sad byproduct of it at the moment.
[11:57]  Arawn Spitteler: Can't AR what's said in Voice
[11:57]  Enemy Coba: sometimes to loud and making eco
[11:57]  Talarus Luan: Yeah, hard to keep logs of it
[11:57]  Thunderclap Morgridge: what ever happene to the obscuring porject?
[11:57]  Talarus Luan: DEFINITELY NOT good for town halls, meetings, etc.
[11:57]  Michi Lumin: Depends on the demeanor of the area.... Our main area, which is pretty crowded, stays text... Mostly because it's easier for people to parse crowds serially versus in parallel. And people are used to that method with a high volume of friends. The areas around the main area are voice enabled so small gorups can break off and have conversations.
[11:58]  Yann Dufaux: yeah, its a trouble because the log on voice is not registred ?
[11:58]  Michi Lumin: There's no scrollback in voice, yeah :P So if yo'ure on from work, its a no go :P
[11:58]  Jack Linden: We use inworld voice all the time for meetings now, even when everyone is in the same office they will often still use inworld.. and though I am biased, it's a very good way to hold distributed meetings
[11:58]  Verve Omizu: I had a sim where voice was isolated to a parcel exactly the size of a certain building, and it worked extremely well.
[11:58]  Thunderclap Morgridge: text can be used in more windows than voice
[11:58]  Thunderclap Morgridge: but I love voice
[11:59]  Michi Lumin: that said I was having some more dire troubles with some stuff last night and was on voice with a group of 4-5 for hours last night.
[11:59]  Yann Dufaux: but@ if you have 3 or 4 friend with you ?
[11:59]  Talarus Luan: Meh, I have friends who love to show up at my place and yak away, whilst I just sit there in stone silence thinking that I have turned into a leper or something. >.>
[11:59]  Michi Lumin: But when we've got 30 people in the main area, it kind of becomes chaos.
[11:59]  Thunderclap Morgridge: are you concerned it breaks character talarn?
[11:59]  Jack Linden: I've often wondered about doing these meetings in voice, but i just don't think it would work well
[12:00]  Jack Linden: It would be too much noise and talking over each other hehe
[12:00]  Thunderclap Morgridge: I dont know. It would be different
[12:00]  Thunderclap Morgridge: maybe
[12:00]  Stephan Mrigesh: haha Jack, now that would be a great show!
[12:00]  Kyrion Yalin: bye everybody. seeyou next week. i have to go
[12:00]  Talarus Luan: Not breaks character so much as excludes those who don't/can't participate for whatever reason
[12:00]  Jean Swashbuckler: u might want to experiment with one meeting :)
[12:00]  Verve Omizu: Text is especially good for meetings because (among other things) it can efficiently be archived and searched.
[12:00]  Marianne McCann: That would have been a blast in the think of the Zindra debates. Or something
[12:00]  Jean Swashbuckler: nods at Verve
[12:00]  Thunderclap Morgridge: but that s a choice
[12:00]  Ciaran Laval: You can't tell whose going to talk next in an environment like this
[12:00]  Major McCaw: And also, not everyone uses voice
[12:00]  Timo Daehlie: Jack what were last week averages and volume of the mainland sales ?
[12:00]  Talarus Luan: Yea, this meeting would be awful in voice. Especially some of the more "heated" ones. >.>
[12:00]  Marianne McCann: thick*
[12:01]  Thunderclap Morgridge: that is a choice
[12:01]  Jack Linden: Or maybe, i could talk my answers but the text chat would still come from you guys
[12:01]  Enemy Coba: true
[12:01]  Thunderclap Morgridge: to use older equipment isa choice
[12:01]  Stephan Mrigesh: Recorded Live From SL...The Hi Jack Linden Show!
[12:01]  Jack Linden: That way I could say more, and give more info.. as typing is definitely slower
[12:01]  Jean Swashbuckler: nods
[12:01]  Michi Lumin: for "voice ARs", a circular buffer idea would be.. interesting.. but.. probably impractical....
[12:01]  Arawn Spitteler: Type faster
[12:01]  Thunderclap Morgridge: like why some people have odd names for their sims?
[12:01]  Driftwood Miles: that would be awesome Jack and improve the flow
[12:01]  Talarus Luan: Not "older", "different" :)
[12:02]  Jack Linden: Timo, ping me in IM later i'll try to let you know.. I have to run now guys
[12:02]  Timo Daehlie: aye ;)
[12:02]  Jean Swashbuckler: thanks Jack
[12:02]  Ciaran Laval: Cheers Jack
[12:02]  Michi Lumin: ok Jack
[12:02]  Qie Niangao: thanks Jack
[12:02]  Stephan Mrigesh: Thaks for this meeting Jack:)
[12:02]  Ardy Lay: Thanks Jack!
[12:02]  Enemy Coba: thanks jack
[12:02]  Thunderclap Morgridge: can't the clinet record the voice conversation?
[12:02]  Driftwood Miles: thanks Jack
[12:02]  Wilma Philbin: Thanks Jack
[12:02]  Yann Dufaux: Michi@ i think your friend can send a AR if your friend learn the same thin of you?
[12:02]  Marianne McCann: Have fun, Jack!
[12:02]  Uni Ninetails: ok ty jack
[12:02]  Arawn Spitteler thanks Jack for staying over
[12:02]  Talarus Luan: Not at present
[12:02]  Jack Linden: goodbye everyone! until next week!
[12:02]  Verve Omizu: When I think of the times, even in personal in-world relationships, when I choose to use text instead of voice, I realize how much more precise and subtle text communication can be. But YMMV. Each to his/her own.
[12:02]  Michi Lumin: More questions downt he line, but i'll try to be at more meetings.
[12:02]  Fem Darcy: bye jack!
[12:02]  Thunderclap Morgridge: thanks jack
[12:02]  Alexxa Despres: thanks Jack ;)
[12:02]  Marianne McCann: Gotta scoot along m'self
[12:02]  Marianne McCann: Bye Bye!!
[12:02]  Timo Daehlie: cheers jack ;)
[12:02]  Verve Omizu: Bye, Jack, thanks!
[12:02]  Thunderclap Morgridge: I meant in the future
[12:02]  Enemy Coba: bye bye jack
[12:02]  Jean Swashbuckler: ThunderC...if you have a way to hijack the audio it's a snap
[12:03]  Driftwood Miles: Bye everyone :)
[12:03]  Talarus Luan: No clue. Maybe
[12:03]  Fem Darcy: vye everyone
[12:03]  Jean Swashbuckler: bye all
[12:03]  Thunderclap Morgridge: true
[12:03]  Wilma Philbin: Bye all ?
[12:03]  Stephan Mrigesh: Ciao for now:)
[12:03]  Driftwood Miles: on
[12:03]  Enemy Coba: bye bye ppl see you all next week
[12:03]  Arawn Spitteler must TP Home
[12:03]  Thunderclap Morgridge: of course that is expensive
[12:03]  Uni Ninetails: time ta go
[12:03]  Talarus Luan: Ciao, everyone. :)
[12:03]  Thunderclap Morgridge: yes