[11:07] Dee Linden: hey gang, Jack's running a few minutes late, but he is coming =) [11:07] Hypatia Meili: Hi Dee [11:07] Base Diavolo: -runs into non-rezzed wall- [11:07] Talarus Luan: Can you say that here? [11:07] Equinox Pinion: hi dee [11:07] TumbleWeed Loopen: Yes, we found that out ).o [11:07] Marianne McCann: Hi Dee [11:07] Mosley Sperber: Just my thoughts, Talarus [11:07] Qie Niangao: Thanks for the update, Dee. [11:07] Moon Corrigible: Thanks Dee! [11:07] Dee Linden: welcome, y'all! [11:08] Dee Linden waves [11:08] Talarus Luan: Why don't you stay for the watermelon smash? :D [11:08] Fontte Newbold: Send him our love; leave a dagger on his desk. [11:08] Talarus Luan: Awww.. [11:08] Fontte Newbold: Aww, darn. [11:08] TumbleWeed Loopen: Hello Dee...havent had the pleasure of meeting, and pestering you [11:08] Marianne McCann: An you still won't [11:08] Marianne McCann giggles [11:08] Talarus Luan: She's the smart one :P [11:08] Base Diavolo: lol [11:08] Mosley Sperber: Somebody mentioned melons, must've scared her [11:08] Fontte Newbold: You mean the whole EVADE DOOM? [11:08] Moon Corrigible: but... she works for concierge... [11:08] Talarus Luan: Deliver the meat and get the hell out of the Lion's Den. :P [11:09] Uni Ninetails: mmmm meat [11:09] Hypatia Meili: they did not put melons on the list did they? [11:09] TumbleWeed Loopen turns, "Well, be ready, dragonsquad" [11:09] Uni Ninetails: =^.^= *Nahm Nahm Nahm!* [11:09] Hypatia Meili: teehee [11:09] ATechwolf Foxclaw licks his muzzle. [11:09] Fontte Newbold: Of course. [11:09] Mosley Sperber: not yet, Hypatia .... I wish they would though, to see what Torley thinks of that ;P [11:09] Talarus Luan: Melons, gazongas, tatas.. they will need a dedicated database server to manage the list. [11:10] Base Diavolo: haha [11:10] Mosley Sperber: At least the asset servers will suddenly seem fast in comparison! [11:10] Uni Ninetails: coconuts. thats the beach paradises knackered [11:10] Hypatia Meili: hm i often hear "Bewbies" wher i work [11:10] TumbleWeed Loopen: Wel, Talarus, did you hear that Jacks quote, starting with "Tal" was thought to be the Gorean greeting? [11:10] Uni Ninetails: jugs. thats pottery stuffed. [11:11] Talarus Luan: Lends a new meaning to the story "I was once stranded on a deserted island in the South Pacific; I didn't even have two coconuts to bang together" [11:11] Moon Corrigible: Actually.... Jack a gorean would explain a lot [11:12] Qie Niangao: greetings, Jack [11:12] Base Diavolo: Howdy Jack [11:12] Couldbe Yue: yay [11:12] Talarus Luan: Yeah, I saw that interpretation. :P [11:12] Uni Ninetails: probably be quicker to make a whitelist. as with enough scope anything can be sexual and hi jack [11:12] Jack Linden: hello hello, so very sorry for being late [11:12] Marianne McCann: Hey Jack [11:12] Hypatia Meili: hi Jack [11:12] Mosley Sperber: Hi Jack [11:12] Alexxa Despres: Hi Jack ;) [11:12] Equinox Pinion: hi jack [11:12] Talarus Luan: It's OK. Detention is at 3:30 [11:13] Jack Linden: ooh good crowd today [11:13] Talarus Luan: ..at Blondin's [11:13] TumbleWeed Loopen: Close in, boys [11:13] ATechwolf Foxclaw: HI Jack. How many Notecards did you get sence the last meeting? [11:13] Couldbe Yue: lol [11:13] Talarus Luan: More than 10, to be sure [11:13] Marianne McCann grins [11:13] Hypatia Meili: at Blondins, thoght so at [11:13] Equinox Pinion: lol [11:14] TumbleWeed Loopen: And stop using the Gorean greeting...ermm. so it would be Tal, Tal [11:14] Jack Linden: Ha yes, that was quite something.. i got a pile! I obviously totally failed to make myself clear but it's all good.. some very interesting feedback in the notecards [11:14] Uni Ninetails: tal tal, tal [11:14] TumbleWeed Loopen: Have you been keeping up on the forums, mmm? [11:14] Jack Linden: I've read a lot but definitely not all of the forum stuff [11:15] TumbleWeed Loopen: Way to much, its hard to do. Some valid points, mostly [11:15] Jack Linden: I wish i had the bandwidth to keep up with all of it but I just don't sadly [11:15] Talarus Luan: Well, as long as you've overcome the notion that the amount of resistance to this plan is "small", all is good. If not, we gotta talk some more... [11:15] Couldbe Yue: That's a shame Jack, particularly since this little effort is your responsibility [11:16] Moon Corrigible: What is your thought on that now Jack? Do you still feel that SL as a whole is happy with this move? [11:16] TumbleWeed Loopen: And we were directe dto them just because y'all said we'd nbe heard there [11:16] ATechwolf Foxclaw: MISC-2727 is solidelly in the #2 position of all time top voted pjira issue. [11:16] Talarus Luan: A JIRA with >3000 votes, making it the #2 issue is hardly "small". [11:16] Jack Linden: Tal, it was only ever a personal observation that *I* hadn't received much. But now I have. :) [11:16] Talarus Luan: Plus, given the fact that the vast majority of residents have no clue this is coming. [11:17] TumbleWeed Loopen: Tell me, what's the ongoing plan for letting everyone know about it? [11:17] Moon Corrigible: So at this point do you personally Jack believe that SL as a whole is looking forward to this move or dreading it? [11:17] Dennis Lagan: well jack, how can someone who is supposed to have a good view on whats happening in sl be that wrongly informed? you seem to have no feeling at all with your userbase if you only now see what people feel [11:17] Talarus Luan: Well, I was never disputing that you *Personally* weren't getting reports; what I disputed was your take that, as a result of not being *personally* notified by the masses, that resistance was small. [11:18] Jack Linden: Moon, I think it's clear (as it has been all along really) that there are a lot of concerns. The topic has been a regular here at my office hours and this isn't a Land project, which says a lot for how people feel [11:18] TumbleWeed Loopen: blinks [11:18] Couldbe Yue: you're blondins boss supposedly.. aren't you? [11:18] Talarus Luan: Well, actually, it *IS* a land project. :) [11:18] Talarus Luan: Ursula is land [11:18] Moon Corrigible: Wow nice shuffle Jack but that doesnt answer the direct question... do you think SL is behind you or not? [11:18] Talarus Luan: forced swaps will be handled by Concierge [11:18] Couldbe Yue: and of course it was you who fronted the press conference last friday [11:19] Jack Linden: Ha well, the migration part is Land yes. But the policy changes etc are a business decision. But I actually thought some of the notecards I got were excellent [11:19] Jack Linden: And am passing them on [11:19] Talarus Luan: Good. :) [11:19] Couldbe Yue: how nice [11:19] Hypatia Meili: Also, I Have have found a serious technical problem that is getting over looked in all the rest of the fuss, I am not sure where to go with it [11:19] TumbleWeed Loopen: So, whats the plan for getting the word out...to everyone? [11:19] Talarus Luan: I think the Ivory Tower needs a wakeup call. [11:19] Jack Linden: Hypatia.. have you created a pJira for it? [11:20] Uni Ninetails: nah it need a brick thru the window [11:20] Talarus Luan: I'd fly up there myself, but my wings won't take me to the Heights of Hubris that is towers above. [11:20] Talarus Luan: *it [11:20] Couldbe Yue: so jack, since you seem to be more in the loop than Blondin. what will the land swap process look like now? you've intimated that the 9 days will be extended and that there is an opportunity to keep the old land if cleaned up - what else?? [11:20] Moon Corrigible: Tumble - last time I asked Blondin that (which was admittedly about 3 weeks ago) he said they werent doing anything besides the blogs and forums [11:20] ATechwolf Foxclaw: Hopefully now someone higher up will get the message that the age verfication page does in fact volate severl state and severl contries laws. [11:20] TumbleWeed Loopen: So, they arent notifying EVERYONE ? [11:21] TumbleWeed Loopen: Non Emglish? [11:21] Base Diavolo: how does age verification violate laws? [11:21] TumbleWeed Loopen: (oops, a fine time to typo) [11:21] Base Diavolo: thats a new one to me [11:21] Moon Corrigible: Never got an answer onthat one Tumble [11:21] Couldbe Yue: no tumbleweed - it's not important enough to go on the login page [11:21] Jack Linden: Couldbe, yeah we'll extend the times out as needed. In a sense there is no hard deadline so we can be sure to finish up before ending that stage [11:21] Hypatia Meili: no never done one, its related to acount status and unavailble supprtort for the problem [11:21] Couldbe Yue: that's not helpful jack [11:21] Hypatia Meili: and th knowledge base and acount links [11:22] Jack Linden: What else did you need to know Couldbe? [11:22] Couldbe Yue: you know how hard it is to co-ordinate moves of this size [11:22] Ethereal Clarity: you have to verify your age to buy beer in every state.... why would this be different [11:22] Talarus Luan: SL isn't "beer" [11:22] Moon Corrigible: Becuase you buy beer in person not infront of a computer [11:22] Ethereal Clarity: matters not [11:22] Couldbe Yue: Jack, if you've just said I can take as long as I like to move then fine [11:22] Couldbe Yue: I will [11:23] Couldbe Yue: I don't have a problem with that at all [11:23] Talarus Luan: He didn't. [11:23] Couldbe Yue: if you meant something different then say so [11:23] Moon Corrigible: And flashing someone your drivers license is quite different then handing over perosnal infromation [11:23] TumbleWeed Loopen: And the plan to notify people? Are the non english speakers getting shafted because of this? [11:23] Ethereal Clarity: lol [11:23] Couldbe Yue: yes Tumble [11:23] ATechwolf Foxclaw: I can't find the info, but I think Germen and some Euro conties forbid the asking of the info the age vercatfaction asks. [11:23] Qie Niangao: (well, the "violations", such as they are, are about asking for data that it is not legal to require a person to disclose for any reason. Whether it's legal to *ask* for that data in all such jurisdictions, dunno.) [11:23] Jack Linden: I didn't say 'as long as you like', I said that we can extend the time if we need to. But ultimately there will have to come a point when the extension ends [11:23] Wynochee LeShelle: Jack, some residents made info signs about the case, Scarlet Linden deleted 3 of them today ferom my land, is that ok from your view? [11:24] Base Diavolo: but if theyre connecting to USA material...it overrides their law. [11:24] Moon Corrigible: er... I 'm pretty sure their governments would disaggree with that Base [11:24] Jack Linden: Wynochee, I don't know what the circumstances so it's hard for me to say. [11:24] Qie Niangao: no, Base, it doesn't really, if they want to have a web presence in Canada, they can't *require* a Canadian SIN [11:25] TumbleWeed Loopen: And so, my question gets ignored, for now *she grumbles [11:25] Couldbe Yue: signs were pg, on his land and were returned by scarlett linden without explanation [11:25] Talarus Luan: Circumstances: Scarlet Linden deleted several adult content protest signs from Wynochee's land without comment as to why. [11:25] Jack Linden: Opp sorry Tumbleweed, did I miss a question..? *scrolls back* [11:25] Gracie Goldflake: Jack, we little folk, not on any a-list, are handing out those signs, I don't want my tenants and friends hassled by having them removed. Please we need some clarification on that. [11:25] Couldbe Yue: tumbleweed can wait [11:26] Couldbe Yue: answer the question please [11:26] TumbleWeed Loopen: What i the pan to tify eeryone non english included? [11:26] TumbleWeed Loopen: Oh, well, go ahead Couldbe [11:26] Jack Linden: Ah right, well re. notification, i'd need to check on that. As I said, other than the migration part the rest is being dealt with by others. [11:26] TumbleWeed Loopen: What other's then? [11:26] ATechwolf Foxclaw: Quite from the jira "you can't age verify with out breaking the law in counties like Belgium, Sweden, UK" [11:26] Couldbe Yue: that doesn't answer wynochees question as to why [11:27] Hypatia Meili: the bullk of english speakers arn't being notfied yet ,acept by resdents [11:27] Talarus Luan: Blondin's group, most likely [11:27] Jack Linden: Tumbleweed, I will ask and find out, and try to drop you an IM. [11:27] TumbleWeed Loopen: (sorry Couldbe, I had asked mine three times, sorry!) [11:27] Driftwood Miles: Age verification is alive and well in the UK [11:27] Jack Linden: But yes, Blondin is doing a lot of the messaging for the project [11:27] Couldbe Yue: i know Tumble - he's not going to answer.. whatever he says will look bad [11:27] Talarus Luan: Don't apologize, Tumble. [11:28] Couldbe Yue: to whom jack? we've not heard a peep out of him in a week [11:28] Couldbe Yue: so not to us [11:28] Base Diavolo: if the servers are in their country i could see how it would be direct violation of their law. [11:28] TumbleWeed Loopen: So it was brushed aside by someone who represents the head of this mess [11:28] Moon Corrigible: So basically Tumble Blondin is in charge of notifying everyone and his office hours are this evening [11:28] Talarus Luan: Correction, Blondin is failing to do a lot of the messaging for the project. :-/ [11:28] Talarus Luan: But it is his job to fail at, so... [11:29] Jack Linden: Couldbe, as i said, i'll find out. [11:29] Couldbe Yue: Good. Thank you [11:29] TumbleWeed Loopen: You dont know by now? [11:29] Gracie Goldflake: Jack, if you cannot answer the question about the sign removal, to whom would I direct my question? [11:29] Dorkmo Ruff: so what is corsica [11:29] Couldbe Yue: and Tumbles question about why you don't think it's necessary to tell the non speaking residents about this? [11:29] Hypatia Meili: wil my signs be removed? [11:29] Wynochee LeShelle: There are much of these signs rezzed on the grid now, will they all be taken? [11:30] TumbleWeed Loopen: (This gets worse each passing day) [11:30] Talarus Luan: Corsica is a continent, Dorkmo [11:30] Jack Linden: Gracie, i would love to be able to handle individual cases like that but I just can't, the teams deal with abuse and governance. I hope you understand [11:30] Talarus Luan: Well, it's kinda a policy issue. [11:30] Yohan Pintens: So Jack, when you move the perverts to the new island, is there a way to keep them there for good? [11:30] Talarus Luan: Are you intentionally squelching dissent? [11:30] Couldbe Yue: this isn't an indivual case if it is now LL policy [11:30] Jack Linden: I can look into it, of course. if you direct IM me a support ticket number I will ask someone to look at it [11:31] Talarus Luan: That's the question [11:31] Moon Corrigible: I"m sorry if this was previously confirmed I missed it... is the plan still to let us dispense with our mainland as we see fit, cleaning it up and teiring up if that works for us? [11:31] Timo Daehlie: dungeon island yohan ;) [11:31] Hypatia Meili: certaintypes of tickests are bein sumarily thrown out [11:31] Hypatia Meili: like for broken vefication on basic accounts [11:31] TumbleWeed Loopen: Mm, seems they are, Talarus [11:31] Gracie Goldflake: Wynochee...there is your answer...when you find out how you were a bad boy, please send group notice to the rest of us. Thanks. [11:31] Wynochee LeShelle: ok;-) [11:32] Jack Linden: Okay Tumble.. (furiously backchanneling here).. I'm told that the AO documentation has been translated into several languages including German, French and Japanese so far [11:32] Jack Linden: Press releases too [11:32] Hypatia Meili: The knowledgebase does Not have any curent info on verfication alternatives, just on what is conisdered adult [11:32] TumbleWeed Loopen: Hmm, news to me, must not be out yet [11:32] Couldbe Yue: and how are you going to tell the residents that this will be available? [11:32] Hypatia Meili: isnt that part of AO? [11:32] Couldbe Yue: What mechanism Jack? [11:33] Jack Linden: Moon, I think so yes.. the way i'm looking at this is that it's about moving the content, not insisting that people move Land. So if someone wants to keep their old (cleaned) parcel then that should be fine [11:33] Base Diavolo: you folks take care. it's lunchtime in california ^^ [11:34] Couldbe Yue: and when does the increase in tier kick in? [11:34] Moon Corrigible: Very cool - thank you Jack - I'm really happy about the idea of giving my mainland to my neighbor when I move - he's been a doll and he's very un-adult *grin* [11:34] Moon Corrigible: I thought that was the 9 days wasnt it Couldbe? [11:35] TumbleWeed Loopen: What assurances do we have we wont be packed together with other. high traffic, clubs or stores? [11:35] Couldbe Yue: Jack was implying we could take as long as necessary [11:35] Moon Corrigible: Oh! See I thought it was take your time but tier kicks in in 9 days - lol - my bad [11:36] Couldbe Yue: lol moon, I'm quite sure it was never meant that way [11:36] Jack Linden: Couldbe, i really didn't.. but i said that we would extend the time if we needed to. We realise that 9 days isn't very long [11:36] TumbleWeed Loopen: (You still arent getting compensated for move time, Moon) [11:36] Couldbe Yue: damn right it isn't [11:36] TumbleWeed Loopen: (Loss of earning too, in my case) [11:36] Couldbe Yue: yes for me it is effectively 4 working days [11:37] LeatherElf1 Beat: With this impending move of adult content will this mean that the idea of the TSL grid being merged with the main grid is also comeing? [11:37] Couldbe Yue: i should have said calendar days [11:37] Jack Linden: LeatherElf, we have no plans at all to do that, and the TG hasn't been any part of the planning for this either [11:38] LeatherElf1 Beat nods [11:38] Talarus Luan: One question I have for you, Jack: When I bought Mature mainland, I chose it over PG because it had the least restrictions; if I wanted to have adult content, I could have, and there would not have been a problem. That capability is a significant part of the value of my land. With the advent of this new policy, that value will go away. Will I have an option to be compensated for it in this policy? Will I be allowed to swap with Adult land of the same size if I desire it? [11:38] Qie Niangao: (hmmm... off-topic but seeing Yohan, and apropos the Ursula move... I wonder if a build-moving bot would be difficult to program.) [11:38] Moon Corrigible: Leather... I think that whole idea might be getting purchase due to the fact that one of the people involved in the move (Blue Linden) is sort of championing the EVENTUAL merge but its really two different things [11:38] Couldbe Yue: You never did answer Tumble's question about the mechanism for advising the non english speakers about this [11:38] Equinox Pinion: but teens will be able to go there too if they have a credit card [11:38] Hypatia Meili: How can basic acount submit tickets for non working verfication, ther is no such option [11:38] Hypatia Meili: We do NOT want to loose thos customers [11:38] Couldbe Yue: quie - copybot if it can do an entire build is just about the only way to easily do this [11:39] Hypatia Meili: they do spend [11:39] Yohan Pintens: Qie: it already exists [11:39] Dennis Lagan: they can fill a support ticket Hypatia, i have done it too, and i'm verified, and Im' basic. [11:39] Hypatia Meili: no there is no allowed ticket type [11:39] ATechwolf Foxclaw: But what about if age fails and there can't file a support ticket? [11:39] Yohan Pintens: but its trivial, take all your items into inventory, go to new location rez said items, spend a couple hours tweaking things, profit! (or go broke) [11:39] Hypatia Meili: theycan submit hard copy documents tho [11:40] Jack Linden: Tal, that's a very good Q.. as it stands only those eligible will get a free move, not everyone that wants to move (which just wouldn't be feasible) [11:40] Dytska Vieria: As long as all your items are < 1000 at a time ;) [11:40] Talarus Luan: If the land is the same size and shape, automation would work. However, there's no guarantee that the swapped land will be the same size and shape. [11:40] Equinox Pinion: wo will do that hypatia :) [11:40] Mosley Sperber: Except for losing the coalesced nocopy ones, of course ;) [11:40] TumbleWeed Loopen: Couple hours? Try moving over 12000 prims [11:40] Couldbe Yue: yohan, have you ever moved anything larger than a few trees? [11:40] Yohan Pintens: copybot is not a good solution, it won't copy scripts. [11:40] Talarus Luan: Well, Jack, I think you all should make plans to make it feasible. :) [11:40] Yohan Pintens: Couldbe: entire sims [11:41] Talarus Luan: Lots of people are going to be pretty upset over that problem. [11:41] Hypatia Meili: good question another option is needed [11:41] Moon Corrigible: Jack.. I hate to be indelicate but you do realize that this will give rise to all sorts of 'private sex' rooms thrown up just to get in the land swap? [11:41] Couldbe Yue: It took me something like 4 days to get my shop set up a couple of months ago.. and that's only around 1/3 of a sim.. and I didn't have to clean up afterwards [11:41] Sin Toshi: how do you determine "eligibility"? [11:41] Qie Niangao: (Yohan, the idea was to have the bot handle the "tweaking" so that the objects all end up in the right places relative to each other, without blowing the 1000-prim coalesced object limit) [11:41] LeatherElf1 Beat: Sin it is case by case [11:41] Jack Linden: Couldbe, sorry.. lot of text and IMs and notecards flying at me. So I will miss things. The mechanism.. I'm told is Blogs, forums and press releases. I've asked whether there will be a targetted email run too.. but no answer on that yet [11:42] Sin Toshi: I get the "case by case", I want to get the general requirements so I can decide whether to even apply [11:42] TumbleWeed Loopen: And an inwolrd announcement? [11:42] Yohan Pintens: Qie: there are several ways that could be pragmatically done [11:42] Couldbe Yue: why not the login screen? [11:42] Couldbe Yue: or even the MOD [11:42] Couldbe Yue: or is it MOTD [11:42] Jack Linden: Mosley.. the coelescence bugs are being worked on now [11:42] TumbleWeed Loopen: See, people are asking the same old questions because LL has failed to properly notify everyone [11:42] Yohan Pintens: They can't hide you if they advertise where they have moved you to, don't be so silly [11:43] Jack Linden: We think they will be fixed ahead of time [11:43] Mosley Sperber: Yeah, I know, Jack ... Hopefully will be fixed before the big move. (Won't get me my lost items back, of course ;P) [11:43] Hypatia Meili: i guess i need to start about another half dozen jiras [11:43] Talarus Luan: Anyway, Jack, is that a question that you can take up the chain, or is it a dead-end issue? I mean, it is tempting a lot of people to open up adult content venues just to qualify for the swap. [11:43] Jack Linden: Moon, yes we realise that. But we keep historic saves of all regions so we know precisely what was there a month ago [11:43] Moon Corrigible: Ahhh OKies [11:43] LeatherElf1 Beat: with what seems to be about 255 sims to handle this move, is LL even sure it can handle getting 'ALL' content moved? [11:44] Moon Corrigible: OH! I almost forgot to ask! I have a completley bare parcel on the same sim just for the extra prims - I'm assuming I'll be able to move that too yes? [11:44] Talarus Luan: Some people are also legitimately opening up adult content venues because it is their timeline. Is it fair to deny them as well? [11:44] Jack Linden: LeatherElf.. if there is one aspect we know we can scale fairly fast, it's the terrain. We have stored sets, so if we absolutely had to push more out we could. [11:44] Hypatia Meili: so does that meanitis already to late to combines mine and partners seprate holding to get then moved together [11:45] Couldbe Yue: and where's my snow??? [11:45] Couldbe Yue: hmmm [11:45] Couldbe Yue: and I don't want any of that ice rubbish [11:45] Jack Linden: Moon, we'll look at each case (there are so many different situations). But we will try our best to be fair [11:45] Moon Corrigible: YESSSS! Please less stone?! I'm begging.. groveling really [11:45] Moon Corrigible: Very cool thanks Jack [11:45] Couldbe Yue: it's mainly lumpy green [11:45] Jack Linden: you mean you don't like the granite look? [11:46] Yohan Pintens: Jack wouldn't it just be easier to kick em out of SL? this seems like such a difficult way of accomplishing that same task. [11:46] Jack Linden looks shocked. [11:46] Couldbe Yue: lol... you know that one was a complete failure [11:46] Moon Corrigible: hehehehe [11:46] Couldbe Yue: proper snow jack, like around the linden snow lodge [11:46] Jack Linden: Yohan, we absolutely do not want to remove adult content. In fact, if you look carefully at the messaging it ought to be clear that we want to give adult business a much clearer path and more direct promotional opportunities [11:47] Moon Corrigible: Only on Tal.. he pulls off the ruggedly handsome look .. on land it just doesnt WORK [11:47] Couldbe Yue: yes jack, like you weren't even considering an adult show case [11:47] Dytska Vieria: Yohan, if you are going to beat up Jack on the end of the meeting, let us know, I want a snapshot! [11:47] Hypatia Meili: wellthe curen search modficationidea woth do that [11:47] Qie Niangao: terrain looks very incomplete; e.g., between Ursula 248 and 249 there's like a complete disconnect of terrain styles. Something must still be changing there. [11:47] Couldbe Yue: nor are we in anyway included in the birthday celebrations [11:47] TumbleWeed Loopen: Sooo....everyone...somehow magically in every language is going to somehow "sense" they should look in the blogs [11:48] Hypatia Meili: the change to seach as anounced wont do that [11:48] Yohan Pintens: it wasn't a fair fight last time, I have a weight advantage [11:48] Jack Linden: haha dytska.. that was awesome last time [11:48] Jack Linden: Qie.. yeah it's not finished yet [11:48] Talarus Luan: Sounds like a personaly problem to me.. for Jack :P [11:48] Talarus Luan: -y [11:48] Hypatia Meili: ithought we wer going to launch a n00b penis atack d i miss an update [11:49] Jack Linden: hah aTal [11:49] Talarus Luan: Just for a quick update.. bots and microparcel issues? [11:50] TumbleWeed Loopen: So this whole, getting feedback through the forums was a sham? Since it didnt include everyone, and you yourself have said you havent read most of them? [11:50] Jack Linden: Ah Bots.. right.. well, we have started to run through Search results and will be dealing with cases of Search gaming as we come across them [11:50] Dytska Vieria: Why don't you want residents to AR traffic bots? [11:50] Jack Linden: We've already seen some Bot use drop away, mainly the box of avatars in the sky approach [11:50] Talarus Luan: Boy.. that sounds pretty weak on virtual paper. -.- [11:50] Jack Linden: Dytska, because we can see them already [11:51] Equinox Pinion: but it doesnt look you are dealing ith bots...there are still thousands on the grid [11:51] Talarus Luan: You have heard that a number of bot users put their bots back up ater noting their sales tanking? [11:51] Moon Corrigible: How sad is it that I only just realized those were bots... *sigh* .. I have so much to learn [11:51] Yohan Pintens: I have a bot that can detect bots, its like a laser thats used to align other lasers [11:51] Jack Linden: Equinox, we only started enforcement a couple of days ago! [11:51] Dytska Vieria: I have a cattle prod [11:51] Indigo Mertel: have a look at Kirkstone then, please :) [11:51] Jack Linden: It isn't going tobe instant, these things never are [11:51] TumbleWeed Loopen: I've had fun pushing bots out of skyboxes with no walls [11:51] Equinox Pinion: ok...will check next eek again :) [11:52] Jack Linden: hehe [11:52] Jack Linden: there have been a lot of questions about Campers and where that lies [11:52] Wynochee LeShelle: we share a hobby Tumble;-) [11:52] Talarus Luan: Next week, it will be "we only started enforcement a bit over a week ago! It isn't instant, these things never are." [11:52] Couldbe Yue: To give jack his due with this. I've just checked one of the worst offenders and it's now missing from places [11:52] Jack Linden: and we're looking to provide a simple way for residents to self-identify an account as a Bot [11:52] Hypatia Meili: how do you detect bots , am i bot when i go afk in my private sand box area ? :P [11:52] Talarus Luan: Then the week after that..... .. .. . [11:52] ATechwolf Foxclaw: Campers get paid, but then so do some bot runners. [11:52] Moon Corrigible: Aw you got to let them have campers ... its how people get hooked on SL - lol [11:52] Equinox Pinion: lol [11:53] Dytska Vieria: Speaking of timelines, and the extortion plot issue? [11:53] Yohan Pintens: Jack, the channel provided at login does exactly that [11:53] Jack Linden: Tal, i shal copy that to a notecard to save my typing it. :) [11:53] Equinox Pinion: lol [11:53] Talarus Luan: Please do.. the faster, the better. [11:53] Yohan Pintens: bot alts don't need to do a thing, you just need to get Xan off her pooper and get you the data [11:53] Yohan Pintens: his* [11:53] Qie Niangao: on microparcels, I've noticed another one (Kman) liquidated... the easiest one to deal with, in my experience. Still eager to see some progress against the Primlands empire. [11:54] Jack Linden: Whether it's a room full of campers or a box of Bots, the net effect is the same, it's generally to push search ranking [11:54] Indigo Mertel: I second on Primlands [11:54] Yohan Pintens: Hypatia: there are certain properties all avatars have, the way the library 99.999% of bots use displays certain of those properties makes them unique and easy to detect [11:54] TumbleWeed Loopen: So this whole, getting feedback through the forums was a sham? Since it didnt include everyone, and you yourself have said you havent read most of them? [11:54] Jack Linden: So we'll be working through the Search results and dealing with it as we find it [11:55] Moon Corrigible: Yeah but at least the campers become infected with SL virus and end up staying longer - hehehe [11:55] Mosley Sperber: Thirded on Primlands, and the general extortion microplot issue [11:55] Hypatia Meili: wil this efect my wings diplay av at my wings shop [11:55] Jack Linden: Tumbleweed, I am but one person and responsible for just one aspect of the Adult changes.. we have a whole team of people who are working on delivering the project as a whole.. and the feedback has been listened to and does impact decisions [11:56] TumbleWeed Loopen: MMm, good answer, Iadmit [11:57] Qie Niangao is reminded of the conflicting decisions about PG definition [11:57] Hypatia Meili: thought that was G now [11:57] Jack Linden: In each case re. Search gaming, we'll look and investigate first, we won't just take action without understanding the situation [11:57] Moon Corrigible: Stupid question: Who all IS dealing with this.. I mean you've the land issus.. Blue and Blondin and whole bunch of moles of coure.. anyone else? [11:57] Melodie Darwin: can we hope to see any more microbarons return their parcels to LL? [11:57] TumbleWeed Loopen: How many people will be handling "I want to move" tickets? The whole thing is, for me, I just want this over with, but it seems it's going to drag on for months [11:57] Moon Corrigible: Oops sorry - didnt mean to change the subjcut [11:57] Couldbe Yue: ahh yes, like Wynochees protest signs [11:58] Wynochee LeShelle: for example [11:58] ATechwolf Foxclaw: Is LL allowed to use "PG" as that is held by MIAA? [11:58] Jack Linden: Land is me, and yes I have a number of staff within my group that do Land work - but also there are folks in PR, marketing, Legal, etc [11:58] Hypatia Meili: better increase the number [11:59] Couldbe Yue: Cyn said in the press conference that LL wan't comfortable with the terms used - Adult Mature Pg.. have you come up with new ones yet [11:59] Hypatia Meili: your gonna be swammped [11:59] TumbleWeed Loopen: And how many will bedirectly working with the I want to move tickets? [11:59] Jack Linden: Tumbelweed, we'll have a team of 10 or maybe more to handle that when the time coems [11:59] Jack Linden: *comes [11:59] Gracie Goldflake: 10???? [11:59] Couldbe Yue: who is the programme manageer for this btw? [11:59] Moon Corrigible: But for face to face contacts for residents.. its basically you, Blondin and Blue yes? [11:59] TumbleWeed Loopen: Heh, good luck on that [11:59] Jack Linden: Couldbe, no not as yet. Suggestions are welcome! [11:59] LeatherElf1 Beat: With the economic concerns of the world, and the fact that so many residents do make a good living with their business's, is a move like this at this time really a good choice? Has LL considered the economic impact to the exchange and the people who depend or have made SL their primary form of income? [11:59] TumbleWeed Loopen: You are going to get, I promise, tens of thousands [11:59] Moon Corrigible: 10? [11:59] Gracie Goldflake: 10 people to handle all of those tickets? Sigh. [12:00] Hypatia Meili: so that is th longer time period metiond will take longer to prcees th requests [12:00] Sin Toshi: Jack, you mention "eligibility" for getting a chance at land swap. Given that someone has adult content for sale on their land...could you comment on what circumstances someone would be denied? The impression I currently have is that anyone that can change their keywords to "fly under the radar" will be denied a land swap. [12:00] Couldbe Yue: it don't know what the average sub division number for a sim is but I'm guessing around 1000 plus and that's only if it really is around 5% of the grid [12:00] TumbleWeed Loopen: and do these ten or so people speak all languages? [12:00] Moon Corrigible: 10 people handling all of those requests? [12:00] Hypatia Meili: but we get 9 days to move [12:01] Jack Linden: LeatherElf.. brilliant question and yes, we think very hard about impact. We genuinely believe that down the line, this will enable the adult content folks to really flourish, and for those wishing to avoid that content to fully engage with the economy [12:01] Jack Linden: It's allow people to choose what they experience [12:01] Jack Linden: And that will drive more retention and a more vibrant economy [12:01] TumbleWeed Loopen: Then you should create a PG continent, pure, simple, and easy [12:01] Talarus Luan: Oh brother. *rolls eyes* [12:01] Couldbe Yue gags at the pr speak suddenly filling the room [12:01] Gracie Goldflake: It will be years before we'll know, with only 10 people handling those tickets. [12:01] Jack Linden: hah [12:01] Hypatia Meili: yeah whoever survise th procces toget there [12:01] Dennis Lagan: you allow that already now. allowing is different from enforcing [12:01] LeatherElf1 Beat: I agree with Tumble on that [12:01] Moon Corrigible: 10 people? [12:01] Jack Linden: wasn't meant to be PR speak.. i honestly think that.. but i'll try to word it differently [12:02] TumbleWeed Loopen: Yes, THATS a VERY valid point, Gracie.,....it will takes months, at least [12:02] Talarus Luan: ..and when it doesn't, Jack? When it has the opposite effect? [12:02] Couldbe Yue narrows my eyes [12:02] Milla Janick: Will there be any action taken to prevent land speculators from driving up the prices for Adult land and making it prohibitively expensive for anyone to start an Adult business in the future? [12:02] Couldbe Yue: or soemthing [12:02] Moon Corrigible: 10 poele are going to go through that on a case by case basis? [12:02] Couldbe Yue: I'm going to put the kettle on [12:02] Mosley Sperber: Now taht you said "enforcing", Dennis ... I still wonder why the current/old PG/Mature ratings were so rarely enforced, and why that would suddenly be different just by adding a third one, "Adult" [12:02] Talarus Luan: Will you, Blondin, Cyn, M, and all the others behind this initiative stand up there and say "we're sorry, we really royally screwed the pooch on this one!" ? [12:02] Jack Linden: Gracie, obviously if it looks like we need more bodies, we can do that [12:02] Qie Niangao: really, it's not how it's *worded*, it's how it will be *worked*... if that is really the objective here, the approach to meeting it is horribly flawed. [12:02] Hypatia Meili: another question what about adult conten inmature while peol wait for you to move them? [12:02] LeatherElf1 Beat: and Long term investments are a good thing it is the short term that takes people out. months, years to make a business but it only takes a couple of missed tiers to take them out. [12:03] Driftwood Miles: All this and a Homestead Price Increase as well...JOY!!! [12:03] Gracie Goldflake: Wonderful, Jack. Thank you. [12:03] TumbleWeed Loopen: Oh yes, sooo true LeatherElf! I CANT afford more than a couple months of low traffic [12:04] Jack Linden: Milla, I would hope it will settle to being much the same as the current land market but if we saw it being overpriced then we would look at how best to fix that [12:04] Moon Corrigible: Waitl.... "more bodies" .. does that mean 100 more bodies.. which would start to delve into the realm of reasonable .. or 2? [12:04] Couldbe Yue: on top of the summer slowdown this is going to bite very hard [12:04] Jack Linden: But the market will generally value up Land if it's in short supply with high demand, so i thin kwe'll have to watch and see. [12:04] Yohan Pintens: oh don't do that, everytime you "do something" about land prices it just makes it more screwed up [12:04] Jack Linden: We can make changes if needed [12:04] Talarus Luan: "naturally" [12:04] Moon Corrigible: Oh crap I never thought of that Couldbe [12:05] Couldbe Yue: yes [12:05] Talarus Luan: There's nothing "natural" about artificial supply constriction, Jack. [12:05] TumbleWeed Loopen: You know Jack, how poorly conceived and how much poorer the HOW is it all going to get accomplished is...surely? [12:05] Couldbe Yue: we'll be at a disadvantage while those on private estates will reap the benefits [12:05] Dytska Vieria: Jack, please answer Melodie's question: [11:57] Melodie Darwin: can we hope to see any more microbarons return their parcels to LL? [12:05] Hypatia Meili: Jack so hpw long do you think it wil take from the go to being done moving all those who need to move? [12:05] Moon Corrigible: They arent going to be swimming in lindens either though Couldbe - they've got hteir own problems with the move [12:05] Jack Linden: Melodie, sorry i missed that.. and yes. you will [12:06] Melodie Darwin: thanks [12:06] Talarus Luan: Timeframe? [12:06] TumbleWeed Loopen: True, Couldbe, and if traffic stays low for long, I'm OUT. two places with 60,000 traffic, gone. NO BOTS AT ALL [12:06] Talarus Luan: "Yes, you will, by next year." or "Yes, you will by next week." ? [12:06] Couldbe Yue: they won't be moving on the whole.. some of the smaller ones will, but the full sim owners wont [12:06] Moon Corrigible: It'll certainly be lower if poeple have to be verified to get in [12:07] Uni Ninetails: christ and im worried about my paltry 1500 traffic [12:07] Hypatia Meili: espcilyif they cant get vefied to work [12:07] Qie Niangao: hehehe, Tumble, wouldn't you expect a problem with traffic data collection, about coincident with the move? ;) [12:07] Jack Linden: Hypatia, that obviously depends on the volume of requests. You need to understand that in talking early about this as we have, to get feedback, we obviously are still planning some aspects. We thought it much better to talk early than wait until everything is nailed down and *then* talk about it. That wouldn't have been inclusive at all [12:07] Jack Linden: So yes, we won't have every answer yet [12:07] Talarus Luan: O.o [12:07] Couldbe Yue: we've not really seen much change in the last 2 months anyway [12:07] LeatherElf1 Beat: it is unfortunate but when the new islands get released to make new land prices go down it has happened and will again. I am sorry Jack but the idea of creating an adult "Disneyland" area is gonna hurt a lot of business owners [12:07] TumbleWeed Loopen: 12,000 prims I have to move, hours and hours. All gone in a couple months if traffic doesnt stay where it is [12:07] Couldbe Yue: so it hasn't been much of a dialogue so far [12:08] Talarus Luan: You waited almost a year to include residents in the voluntary feedback. How is that "getting feedback early?" [12:08] Moon Corrigible: Jack... wouldnt it be prudent to do some sort of survey - or perhaps a voluntary non-binding list asking people to indicate if they think they might want to eventually apply for the move? Just to get an idea of how big a land mass is going to get filed>? [12:08] Hypatia Meili: well according to curen info its supose to be implmented in about a months time [12:08] TumbleWeed Loopen: (Not sure what you mean, Qie?) [12:08] Hypatia Meili: you guys aint ready [12:09] Jack Linden: Moon, i agree that asking for that early could be wise. It's being discussed [12:09] Couldbe Yue: sooner rather than later - and you do need to make a decision sharpish if you're going to make it open to everyone or just business [12:09] Couldbe Yue: there are a lot of non business people out there who are not happy about having their options restricted [12:10] Wynochee LeShelle: it is about to have a spontaneous SLO, as we had it on mature land so far [12:10] Jack Linden: The free move offer is for those established businesses or communities that clearly have to move, especially those selling adult services as their main product. [12:10] LeatherElf1 Beat: and a question to the people here. How many here now are for this move please? [12:10] Wynochee LeShelle: *SL [12:10] TumbleWeed Loopen: not me! [12:10] Jack Linden: It remains to be seen just how many of those there will be [12:10] Hypatia Meili: There are alot of people out ther who don't know thi is happening yet [12:11] Couldbe Yue: you really do need to reconsider that.. or consider a second phase for them [12:11] Talarus Luan: Should still be compensation for all Mature land owners for the loss of the option. [12:11] Male Animation Overide Set 4 (cnt): Touched. [12:11] LeatherElf1 Beat: is anyone here representing pro-move? [12:11] Kind Savage: oppss sorry [12:11] Gracie Goldflake: Please, use your influence to get the poll regarding, "who wants to move", on the login screen, otherwise it's useless. [12:11] Moon Corrigible listens to the crickets [12:11] Qie Niangao: if there's a free move for some Mature mainland owners, it's pretty difficult to deny it to others without it being "a taking" [12:12] Yohan Pintens: I'm pro move, I want you all gone so we can have a disney continent [12:12] TumbleWeed Loopen: Whats overwhelmingly clear is that this is..after all this time, STILL painfully muddled and ill conceived and its GOING TO GET WORSE! [12:12] Yohan Pintens: lots of free pixel candy for all the boys and girls [12:12] Hypatia Meili: how about getting word out instead of us having to put up stupid posters just to let people know [12:12] LeatherElf1 Beat: so for as few names I see on the jira there is no one here pro-move? Truly Yo? [12:12] Timo Daehlie: <-- pro [12:12] Melodie Darwin still hopes for the microparcels to get their own continent(no content to move... extort themselves) [12:12] Talarus Luan: You going to drive around in your ice-cream truck, Yohan? :P [12:12] LeatherElf1 Beat: I think the ratio is pretty well established then [12:13] Dytska Vieria: Move all the microparcels to Ursula [12:13] Yohan Pintens: yeah I'm just here for the party, I don't much care anymore about what LL does or does not do, who it pleases or displeases [12:13] Driftwood Miles: